Per quanto riguarda l’epigenetica, riporto il giudizio di Jerry Coyne, dal suo blog “whyevolutionistrue”:

Is “epigenetics” a revolution in evolution?

One often hears the suggestion that the neo-Darwinian view of evolution is on the skids, and that that view will be completely changed—if not overturned—by new biological ideas like modularity, genetic assimilation, evolvability, and epigenetics. Epigenetics in particular (I’ll define it in a moment) has been especially touted as a concept that will revolutionize evolutionary biology.

Call me an old fogey, but I think the idea of epigenetics as a Darwin-destroyer is completely bogus. Although certain discoveries in that area are interesting, and have certainly expanded our notion about how genes work, there is not the slightest evidence that the findings of epigenetics will dispel the main ideas of neo-Darwinism, which include the ideas of evolutionary change via natural selection and genetic drift, the randomness of mutations, the ideas of speciation and common descent, and the gene-centered view of evolution. I’ve explained my views on epigenetics as a revolution in several previous posts, for example here, here, here, and here, but, like the Lernean Hydra, each time you cut off a head of the epigenetic beast, it grows another one.

The latest head appeared in Friday’s Guardian, in a book review written by Peter Forbes; the book is The Epigenetics Revolution by Nessa Carey, and Forbes sees the book as tremendously important, implying that is part of a scientific revolution and explicitly saying that it’s a book that would “make Darwin swoon.” I haven’t read the book, and although it might make Darwin swoon if the old git were to be resurrected, the discoveries of genetics and the mechanism of inheritance itself would make him swoon far more readily. And I know scientific revolutions; scientific revolutions are friends of mine; and believe me, epigenetics is no scientific revolution.

So what is epigenetics? The term is actually used in two different ways. When I was younger, it simply meant “developmental genetics,” that is, the study of the way the DNA code of genes is translated into the bodies and physiologies of organisms. That, of course, was a tremendously important and exciting area, and still is. It involves understanding how genes are turned on and off in different tissues and cells, how different genes interact with each other, and how the products of a one-dimensional sequence of information can build a three-dimensional body. This study has segued into the new field of “evo devo,” which tries to understand the evolutionary basis of developmental genetics. “Evo devo” itself has, of course, led to its own important discoveries, like the presence and conservation of homeobox genes, the use of the same genes over and over again in forming similar but non-homologous traits (e.g., PAX6 in the formation of fly eyes and vertebrate eyes), and the linear arrangement of genes in some organisms (e.g., Drosophila) that correspond to the linear arrangement of body parts they affect.

So developmental genetics, and evo devo, are fascinating areas that produce a stream of surprising discoveries. But they’ve done nothing to alter the going paradigm of neo-Darwinian evolution. It is telling that, for example, Sean Carroll, a famous practitioner of “evo devo” and a popular writer, is a firm adherent to neo-Darwinism. What we learn from these areas is precisely how evolution has acted to sculpt bodies, but it still does so using randomly-generated genetic variation and good old natural selection (and yes, Larry Moran, genetic drift also plays a role). Gene regulation itself is a phenomenon molded by natural selection, and how genes are turned on and off is itself a phenomenon residing in the genes: in the genes that make the DNA or proteins that regulate other genes, and in the many ways that genes evolve (through, for example, the evolution of regulatory regions), to respond to internal “environmental” influences.

The second meaning of “epigenetics” is more recent, and involves actual changes in the DNA itself that are not based on mutational changes in nucleotides, but in environmental modifications of nucleotides—things like methylation of nucleotide bases or changes in DNA-associated proteins like histones—that can temporarily modify genes and affect their actions. I say “temporarily,” because such environmental modification of DNA, while it can be adaptive, is not usually passed on from one generation to the next. For example, we get our genes in pairs—one from mom and one from dad—but they can be differentially “marked” (the technical term is “imprinted”) during the formation of sperm and eggs, and so the copy from dad can act differently from the copy coming from mom. This imprinting is probably due to natural selection: scientists like David Haig have argued that the different and conflicting “interests” of paternal versus maternal genes has, through natural selection, molded the way they are imprinted, allowing them to act in different ways in the embryo. But an “imprinted” gene is reset each generation: the imprinting disappears and has to re-form depending on which sex the gene is in.

As I have argued before, however, imprinting of genes, although a novel and recently-discovered phenomenon, is not a “revolution” in how we view evolution: it is an embellishment that doesn’t overturn the main ideas of neo-Darwinism. And many of the phenomena subsumed by this modern notion of “epigenetics” still evolved by natural selection. Imprinting, after all, is based on changes in DNA that somehow render paternal DNA more (or less) susceptible to modification than maternal DNA. Imprinting has evolved by changes in DNA, even though the modifications of DNA it causes are environmental.

In his review of Carey’s book, Forbes, a science writer, concentrates on the second, “revolutionary” sense of epigenetics:

Genes don’t just issue instructions: they respond to messages coming from other genes, from hormones and from nutritional cues and learning. Much epigenetics revolves around nutrition. If we drink a lot of alcohol an enzyme that metabolises it becomes more active – “upregulated” in the jargon. And similar mechanisms apply to much of our behaviour. The methods by which genes makes these responses often involve very small chemical modifications (usually the addition of a tiny methyl group to one base of DNA). It is almost certain that memory – a classic nurture problem: we learn something and it becomes biologically encoded – involves epigenetics. Once made, epigenetic changes can be very long lasting, which is how our long-term memory is possible.

Why is this “revolutionary?” Because some of the inherited changes of genes appear to be “Lamarckian,” that is, they aren’t really changes in DNA sequence itself, but environmental modifications of DNA that can be passed from one generation to the next. And if such “nongenetic,” environmentally-acquired inheritance were common, that would be a revolution in the way we think about evolution.

So what’s the evidence for this “revolutionary” notion? Forbes simply offers up the same tired old anecdotes I’ve addressed before:

So far, this is instructive and highly promising for medical research, but epigenetics finally reaches that “everything you’ve been told is wrong” moment when it claims that some epigenetic changes are so long-lasting they cover several generations: they can be inherited. This flouts one of biology’s most cherished dogmas – taught to all students – namely that changes acquired during life cannot be passed on – the heresy of Lamarckism.

But the evidence that this can occur in some cases appears to be growing. There are lab experiments with mice and rats in which epigenetic effects on coat colour and obesity can be inherited. More suggestive evidence comes from a vast, unwitting and cruel experiment played out in the second world war. In 1944, during the last months of the war, a Nazi blockade followed by an exceedingly harsh winter led to mass starvation in Holland. This had a huge effect on babies born at the time, and the effects of poor nutrition on the foetus seem to have persisted through subsequent generations.

Well, I won’t flog poor Mr. Forbes with the fact that these are only a few trivial examples of the phenomenon, examples that don’t appear to have any evolutionary importance. Nor will I flog him with the fact that when we can dissect the genetic basis of real adaptations in real organisms, they invariably turn out to rest on changes in DNA sequence, not in environmental and non-DNA-based modifications of nucleotides. Here’s what I said in an earlier post about Oliver Burkeman’s claims that epigenetics has profound implications for evolution (like Forbes, Burkeman is a science journalist):

All I can say to this is: “Profound implications my tuchus!” There are a handful of examples showing that environmentally-induced changes can be passed from one generation to the next. In nearly all of these examples, the changes disappear after one or two generations, so they couldn’t effect permanent evolutionary change. The proponents of epigenesis as an important factor in evolution, like Eva Jablonka and Marion Lamb, always wind up talking about the same tired old examples, like cases of coat color change in mice and flower pattern in toadflax. I am not aware of a single case in which an adaptive change in an organism—or any change that has been fixed in a species—rests on inheritance that is not based on changes in the DNA. (For a refutation of the pro-epigenesis arguments that Jablonka and Lamb make in their 2005 book, see Haig [2007].)

Moreover, some examples of “nongenetic” inheritance that do have adaptive significance, such as differential methylation of paternal versus maternal chromosomes, ultimately rest on changes in DNA that promote that differential methylation. And this “inheritance” lasts only one generation, for the methylation profile is reset in each sex every generation.

In contrast to the very few cases of one- or two-generation inheritance that cause nonadaptive changes in the phenotype stands the very, very large number of studies in which inherited changes within and among species map to the DNA. These include every case of evolutionary response to artificial or human-generated selection, adaptive changes within species (e.g., spiny-ness in sticklebacks), and differences among species in both morphology (e.g., the color differences in fruit flies I study) and reproductive barriers (the many mapping studies of “hybrid sterility” and “hybrid inviability” genes). Burkeman, of course, doesn’t mention these cases: it would ruin his nice story.

If we look just at studies of the inheritance of organismal changes that have evolved over time (and many of these would have detected profound epigenetic effects), the score would be something like this: DNA 757, Epigenesis 0. (I’m just making these numbers up, of course, to make a point.) If we look at all “inherited changes”, regardless of their evolutionary importance, we would have a handful of epigenetic changes versus literally thousands of DNA-based changes. So how can Burkeman say that epigenesis will profoundly revise our view of evolution?

So, Mr. Forbes, our “cherished dogma” of non-Lamarckian inheritance still holds strong, and you’ve done your readers a disservice by implying otherwise. Lamarckism is not a “heresy,” but simply a hypothesis that hasn’t held up, despite legions of evolution-revolutionaries who argue that it flushes neo-Darwinism down the toilet. If “epigenetics” in the second sense is so important in evolution, let us have a list of, say, a hundred adaptations of organisms that evolved in this Larmackian way as opposed to the old, boring, neo-Darwinian way involving inherited changes in DNA sequence.

Forbes can’t produce such a list, because there’s not one. In fact, I can’t think of a single entry for that list.

In sostanza, è molto facile inneggiare alla rivoluzione in ambito scientifico, tuttavia è prudente valutare bene l’effettiva influenza di nuove scoperte e quanto esse influiscano sulla comprensione del fenomeno in esame, dato che spesso molti fattori ritenuti in prima anaslisi rivoluzionari possono essere in realtà ricondotti al paradigma corrente. Inoltre mi pare fin troppo diffuso un giornalismo dal dubbio valore scientifico che sottolinea come tale “rivoluzione” porterebbe alla sostanziale caduta della attuale tesi evoluzionistica,in particolare, come accennavi, la selezione naturale, principale chiave esplicativa della sintesi moderna, sarebbe inevitabilmente malata. In realtà nessun biologo serio di mia conoscenza afferma questo, dato che coloro che desidererebbero lo sviluppo di una nuova sintesi estesa guardano alla fondazione di un modello in grado di inglobare nuovi fattori evolutivi, non alla cancellazione del paradigma corrente. L’opinione scientifica internazionale si è fatta sentire, ad esempio, contro l’uscita del libro “Gli errori di Darwin” di Fodor e Piattelli-Palmarini. Tralasciando il fatto che nessuno dei due è un biologo evolutivo, l’opera cerca di mostrare che la selezione naturale non è un meccanismo valido per spiegare l’evoluzione degli organismi viventi. Il responso è stato quasi unanimamente negativo. Oltre alle ruvide recensioni del sopracitato Coyne e del biologo Douglas Futuyma, si annoverano anche quelle di Massimo Pigliucci (che pure è sostenitore della necessità di una sintesi estesa) e del filosofo della scienza Michael Ruse. A salvare l’onore italiano intervengono Telmo Pievani, Guido Barbujani, Luigi Luca Cavalli Sforza, Giorgio Manzi, e parecchi altri. Il libro di Fodor e Piattelli Palmarini riporterebbe le conclusioni di “duecentoquaranta lavori pubblicati sulle più importanti riviste di biologia del mondo in cui vi sono riportati dati, fatti, meccanismi alieni dalla selezione naturale.” Anche ammesso (cosa per altro non vera) che tutti i 240 lavori citati indeboliscano la teoria dell’evoluzione, secondo una indagine della rivista Lab Times nel periodo 1996-2006 sono stati pubblicati tra Europa, USA, Canada, Australia, Giappone e Cina oltre 50.000 articoli di biologia evoluzionistica,ovvero meno dello 0,5% degli articoli pubblicati riporterebbe dubbi sullo stato attuale della teoria dell’evoluzione. Sono questi i numeri di una teoria in crisi?

Vuoi degli esempi
Novembre 1999 notizia pubblicata sul National Geographic:
Scoperto in Cina “il vero anello mancante della complessa catena che connette i dinosauri agli uccelli. Esso sembra fissare l’attimo paleontologico in cui i dinosauri stavano diventando uccelli”.
Peccato che poi “l’anello mancante” si dimostrò costruito ad arte dagli astuti cinesi incollando più di un fossile. Il National Geographic mentre aveva dato grande rilievo alla “scoperta” si guardò bene dal rivelare la verità. Questi sono fatti e sono accessibili a tutti e ti posso assicurare che esempi del genere te ne posso fare tantissimi. Ma la discussione non era su questo.
Io penso, e te lo ripeto, che sia stato un errore disdire un convegno a Dawkins. Anche se Dawkins non è certo uno al quale è impedito di parlare (ma questo non c’entra).
Io sono per dare spazio e parola a tutti a chi è un darwinista ultraconservatore come Dawkins e a chi porta nuove idee e critiche al darwinismo. Poi ognuno è libero di ponderare i fatti e trarre le proprie conclusioni. Invece, oggi, avviene che a Dawkins e al darwinismo è sempre dato grande spazio. Mentre chi porta una critica, per quanto fondata possa essere, troppo spesso è definito bigotto, oscurantista e ignorante. Qusto credo non giovi a nessuno, tantomeno alla ricerca scientifica.
Questo è l’ultimo intervento se vuoi capire capisci se vuoi rimanere nella tua arroganza fa come credi. Ciao

Sì, sì. Un consiglio, visti i due ultimi post. Impara a distinguere il pacifico dibattito del mondo scientifico dalle condanne assolute delle eresie, dato che esso si basa sui dati empirici. Se il futuro darà ragione ai biologi criticati da Dawkins, bene, altrimenti bene lo stesso. La visione più coerente e maggiormente supportata da evidenze prevarrà, come è giusto che sia. In quanto biologo immagino abbia i suoi motivi per ritenere l’epigenetica non degna di una così grande attenzione. Se sei curioso, puoi sempre andare su richarddawkins.net e chiederglielo. E, tra parentesi, nessun biologo vivente afferma che la selezione naturale è l’unica causa dell’ evoluzione.

Stefano

Vedi sopra, cioè vedi epigenetica.
La selezione naturale sta perdendo colpi proprio tra la comunità dei biologi, non tra i creazionisti. E la reazione stizzita di Dawkins che puoi ben leggere (non le manda certo a dire), dimostra il suo arroccamento dogmatico proprio sulla sua teoria neodarwiniana.
E non si può falsificare qualcosa che non è possibile falsificare come la selezione naturale. Non è mica il neutrino del Cern/Gran Sasso. Altrimenti spiegami tu come puoi falsificare la selezione naturale (non la teoria evolutiva), perchè io non vedo come.
Appare chiaro (ai biologi, tranne Dawkins) che la selezione naturale non sia sufficiente a spiegare l’evoluzione e che la mutazione genetica non sia così casuale (vedi metilazione del DNA e acetilazione degli istoni).
A casa mia si chiama intralcio o almeno avversione alla ricerca scientifica. Se al posto di Dawkins fosse stata la Chiesa, a quest’ora proprio su questo sito ne leggeremmo delle belle.

“C’è il rischio di confondere il termine -epigenesi- con -epigenetica-, una parola tecnica alla moda che sta avendo il suo quarto d’ora di notorietà nella comunità dei biologi. Qualunque cosa significhi -epigenetica- (i suoi entusiastici alfieri non sono d’accordo nemmeno con se stessi, figuriamoci con gli altri), qui mi limiterò a dire che non è la stessa cosa dell’epigenesi”.

Notarella sull’epigenetica in un libro di quasi 400 pagine. Si noti bene che Dawkins parla di Comunità di biologi, ovvero suoi colleghi, non di creazionisti. Eppure, a quanto ne so, pare che Dawkins discrimini proprio questi suoi colleghi (alfieri dell’eugenetica). Insomma non voglia proprio averci a che fare. E’ proprio il caso di dire: Chi la fa, l’aspetti!

Sembre a raccontare le bugie, Aluccio; la mamma non vorrebbe, se non ti avesse perso di vista da anni.

cè crisi kaworou,colpisce pure gli pschiatri.

a ragione STEFANO da oggi le sue iperbole sono florenskate…..

florenskji,perche sei cosi ottuso??,perche? gratti il vetro con ipocondria sensa senso-lla magia della realta è uno slogan,una provocazione,per dare sempre un credito,non cè bisogno di fate e elfi,e angioletti,per dire che la natura e magica,nella sua evoluzione o presentazione di sè.
come affermi di essere un gran prosatore ,e noto citazionista compulsivo,per dare sintesi al tuo pensiero,e poi non capisci i titoli,dai contenuti,e irridi e dai dei non intelligenti,a chi fa del sarcasmo,alle tue iperbole prosopaiche di creazionismo che sventagli,come un un dato di fatto.